Ep. 37 - Dogs & Cats *Bonus*

What do you get when three Sigmas start talking about Black nationalism and end up deep in a debate about dog training costs? A bonus episode of Three for the Founders, that's what. The guys open with a pointed question contrasting Black and White nationalism — and how Christian nationalism fits into that conversation — before Obi-Wan the 80-pound problem child hijacks the whole show. Antonio breaks down his investment in Cali K9 (yes, the one from Netflix), the philosophy behind real obedience training, and why $2,000 in training fees actually makes sense when you're planning a trip to Banff with a dog who doesn't listen. The co-hosts weigh in on small dogs, cats, and why some people just aren't pet people — plus a family story about a Great Dane named Leonard eating better than most of us. They squeeze in a strong recommendation for Something the Lord Made on HBO Max before Obi shuts the whole operation down. Short, candid, and completely unscripted — this is Three for the Founders between episodes.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey, it's Reynaldo Antonio here. From time to time our conversations run longer than we intended, and we're left with longer, short snippets of some value, in our opinion. We're dropping these shorter bonus episodes as intellectual appetizers for you to chew on until we're back next week. Enjoy. We're brothers, we're happy and we're singing and we're colored.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Give me a high five. Alright, cut and print. Beautiful guys. Dyno Mike. That it.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Welcome to Three for the Founders, where brotherhood meets the breakdown. We've been having these conversations for years. And now you are invited to join us. We'll say the things you are afraid to say and ask the questions you've always wanted to ask. Three brothers, all truth, no filters.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Let's go. So here's what I noticed about my question. My question being, what's the difference between black nationalism and white nationalism? And then as I'm walking, as I'm listening, as I'm thinking, as I'm talking, uh Amicus, which is Slate's podcast on the Constitution, did an episode about Christian nationalism, which felt like it dovetailed exactly with where we were going in terms of this conversation about nationalism, right? We always talk about Malcolm X was a black nationalist, the Nation of Islam were black nationalists, Marcus Marcus Garvey was a black nationalist. But we say those things um in admiration, or it's a good thing, or it's a description of who they were, right? But if we talk about white nationalism, that's not a good thing, right? John, you made the comment about white power, white nationalism, white affinity space, right? LeBron, you quickly knocked that one down and said the Klan, the Klukel's Klan, was the first white affinity space. I would say it was the Democratic Party, but that's the historian in me. Oh, yes, it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

And maybe the clan was just the first one with a dress code, but continue.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Um and so what is the difference? Like Christian nationalism is big in the news because Pete Hegseth is calling this war, uh, this invasion, this murder uh in Iran a holy war, right? Did Heggseth say it?

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Did he say that out loud?

SPEAKER_01 2:46

He did say that out loud. Not only did he say it out loud, he gave the order to commanders that they were supposed to disperse this. And they're holding prayer services, um, Christian prayer services at the Department of Defense uh as this continues to go on. And so this creeping Christian nationalism, which as like I said, I was listening to this podcast, was talking about how the Roberts Court is ruling and making uh religious discrimination mean something that it doesn't, mean some mean that Christians can't do what they want to and other people, you know, are encumbered by it. Hold hold that thought. What?

SPEAKER_02 3:29

You heard I heard the squeak too, John.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

I'm like I did too, but I like his handle.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Is the tin man jerking off again?

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Is it table? Come here. I hate when the table does that. Yo, Obi-Wan. Help us, Obi-Wan. You are our only hope. Help us, Obi-Wan. You are stand up, furry, earnest, disobedient, thank you. Look at that dude, bro.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

He's huge.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

He's giant. He's got kind eyes.

unknown 4:02

Hey, is he?

SPEAKER_00 4:02

I don't know how you didn't name him Shaq, dude.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Look, when you when you can see him.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Yeah, I know. Hey Antonio, is he I had a choir teacher in high school who, when someone would do something stupid, she would shake her head and go, cute but dumb. So is uh is OB cute but dumb?

SPEAKER_01 4:19

He's not, actually.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

I know he's right there, and you don't want to say it out loud. Sorry, Obi.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

No, no, no. He's he's actually not. He's he's but he is um young and impulse. And so we started training this week, and he was like, Oh. Is this what oh this is what we're okay, this is what we're doing? All right, training.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Like, did you hire a super expensive someone to come over and say you've got to be the alpha? Did you have you got Caesar Milan coming over? No, bro, don't, don't, don't say it. Now why'd you our podcast?

SPEAKER_02 4:50

Yeah, go ahead. Is bougie. I was gonna say now is two white men on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

I was gonna say that was the whitest shit ever, bro. You're like, No, but no, you know who I hired. OB, how do we behave when we go into Trader Joe's? How do we behave when we're in the nut aisle?

SPEAKER_01 5:07

You goddamn right. I'm assimilated like that. Like no, I can walk a bear down the street, but the bear better sit and dance when I tell it to. We hired, if you go on Netflix and Cali K9, Joss is the guy who runs it. So it's it's a brother. And then he's got people all over the country. And so I showed up and I told Daniela this dude had um had like reform thug energy. Oh, that's what he's like for a dog trip. He's like, oh yeah, man. No, no, no, I got five dogs. Like, if I'm eating, they know. They just get out the room. I said, What are you talking about? He's like, they looked at it once too long, and I put them outside. Everybody gotta have consequences, man. Everybody gotta have consequences.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Wow. Shot collar, shot collar.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Right. And he said, This is my house. I got four rots in a pit. No, no, no. Don't nobody, don't nobody mess with nothing. If the four-year-old can't tell you what to do, you outside. I was like, Man, well, let's, let's, let's go. So it might be the whitest thing ever, but I got the blackest version of it possible. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

I know, I know. Antonio hired the uh Michael Vick dog of school training. Um welcome to the Michael Vick School of Dog Training here at the Where did Obi go?

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Don't ask.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

There you go. Let me let this dog out and I'll be right back. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

I think LeBron's gonna be money well spent. I mean, you guys don't you don't have animals, huh?

SPEAKER_02 6:48

They're too expensive, bro. Bro. First of all, I'm not spending thousands of dollars to train a non-human. And anything that's whose shit is the same size as mine, it's not in my house, bro. Can't do it. Can't do it, John.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

What'd you say? That's when you're 80s, bro. Yeah, throw that bar out again, LeBron. He's gotta hear that.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

I said, I cannot spend $1,000 on an animal that's not human. And I cannot pick up someone's shit if it's the same size as mine.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

That's that's fair. But how do you that's why you're that's why your dog was able to fit in a in a gunny sack.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Did you have a small dog?

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Did Sabah have a small dog?

SPEAKER_02 7:29

Yeah, she had a small dog for years. You didn't see tiger?

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Tiger, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:33

Yeah, tiger, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

Tiger. Yeah. Tiger.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

I forget the name of the Pomeranian. Pomeranian.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Oh, dude, we have one of those. Peaches. All fluff. The name alone. The name alone. Yeah, all fluffy.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

Call me Peaches!

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Sorry. Shout out to Nina Simone. Peaches, they the here's the problem with Pomeranians, since you asked.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

They're fluffy as hell. Since you asked. And you know, I've what I learned was that they they were originally bigger dogs, and then they just kept breeding them smaller and smaller and smaller until you get your little poodle, like your little toy size. That's what we had. Oh wow. So their genetics tell them they're big dogs, which is one of the reasons why they don't bark like crazy, which is cool, right? Like they because they kind of see themselves as a big dog. But the problem is that at least ours, she was like, Look, hey, look, but don't touch. Like, so she she presents like she's all fluffy and cuddly, but then you try to cuddle and they're like, ooh, no, no, no. I'm not. Do you know how much work I put into this look to get away?

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Like exact same way. It must be a that must be a Pomeranian thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

I think it is. And so I didn't really like the dog very much. And and and my ex, she loved it. She's like, This is my dog. And I'm like, Well, you can have it. So anyway, they're for they're look, but don't tell us. They're for show.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Your domestic evolution keeps creeping back into this conversation. That's impossible. The farther we go, no, but the 2030s. The farther we go, the more differences and recent. You're like, yeah, she was cool and all, but the dog.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

I couldn't get with that dog. That was the final final straw.

SPEAKER_02 9:08

That was it. I love life, boy. Life is life be life, and don't it? Life be life. Life be life and life and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

I was talking to someone today about pets, and I'm like, I travel so much. There's a friend of mine from college who I don't think you guys knew him, but he he lives in Spain now, and they have two dogs, and they've and you know, you move to other countries and you realize like it's it's harder than you think. And one of the they've been staying at tons of different Airbnbs because the laws in Spain make it really hard to rent permanently if you're not a citizen. And oh wow, they got dogs, and it's just complicating things. I'm like, that's why in this area I love dogs, I love pets. I grew up with cats, I love them, and and like, but I travel so much every time you leave, you gotta all the logistics that are involved. And no, man.

unknown 9:51

No.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

We're trying to go on vacation right now. No cats. Oh, dude, I can't. We're trying to go on vacation right now, and that was the she's like, we go, you know, Banff. I don't even know where Banff is Canada. Beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

Canada.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

You been to Can you been to Banff?

SPEAKER_02 10:07

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

And I was like, oh, okay, so are we boarding the dogs? Because they weigh more than you know, everybody who lives in my house except us. Um and are we taking the dogs with us? Does that mean we have to fly with the dogs? Like, how do what and she went, she did just like this. Oh yeah. The dogs.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Oh, yeah, the dogs. Do you that that training bill is gonna look small compared to what you're gonna have to pay to board those dogs? To board, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Well, the training bill is so that I don't have to board. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you know how to behave, right? So it's an investment. That isn't an investment. That's a smart investment. I give me that.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

That's money well spent. That'll be money well spent.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

You've seen how big he is, he weighs shit 80 pounds. Right. You can pull over a grown ass man and then you try to walk the two of them. Anyway, everybody here is uh enfeebled and will not be able to control him. So I need voice control. I need mind control over Debo.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Speaking of OE.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

He'd be around, I stop talking. He leaves, I'll be talking again. No, I need you to shut up, sit down, do what they tell you. No questions asked.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

These are not the treats you seek. These are not the treats you seek.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

He's actually very food motivated. So they are the treats he seeks. Hence sit your ass down. How long is a training supposed to take? Oh, is it or is it ongoing training? We're we're on a journey. So we had our first live session uh Saturday. We have a Zoom session Wednesday night. I'm supposed to be doing 15 minutes a day with him, which I've been doing. That's reasonable. Uh right. And then we have another in-person on Saturday. So we have eight in-person, eight Zoom, and then eight group classes. And what Devin, it's my man from Cali Canine, shoutouts. Shoutouts told us, he's like, stop acting like the leash is helping you because our goal is to get to the point where off leash you can walk him. He's like, I walk my five dogs around this whole part off-leash, all five of them, and they ain't gonna do nothing.

unknown 12:20

Damn.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

I I have mind control over Debo.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

I was like, dude, I want that kind of energy in every aspect of my life. Whatever he's doing, I want to take that into every room I walk into. I want to train my teachers off-leash. That's your new goal. That's my goal. Get your teachers off-leash, off-leash, baby. Verbal control only. And then it's just a look. Right. Okay, lastly, lastly, because I cost I just go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Nope, go.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

No, no, no, no, because I'm changing. Finish Antonio. Finish that.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Oh, I was gonna say, so the dog costs $2,500 because we got a designer dog. Designer dog.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Yes, you did.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

The training costs $2,000, and he eats hundreds of dollars of food a month.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Yeah. You better, I better, I better be able to tell you to fly, and you just I came downstairs uh in with my family in Gloucester, Massachusetts, and my uncle Matt, who gets up at like four o'clock every morning and bakes all kinds of pies and bread. And I was like, oh, that smells good. And I went to the kitchen, there's a giant pot of rice and vegetables and turkey. I was like, oh, that's good. He's like, This is the dog food. I was like, what? Dude makes them got a great Dane, something else that they rescued. Leonard, my cousin Leonard, shout out to Leonard, he's the best dog in the world. But yeah, dude is eating good in Gloucester. He's he's doing fine. But I was gonna say, Antonio, so about cats. I saw a post the other day that was so perfect. This dude on Instagram, he he's taking a video and he's showing on top of a huge bookshelf in his living room that his cat like is perched on top. And he's like, people talk about cats not being masculine. He goes, I want to tell you something. You know how that cat got up there? He one jump. He ran, jumped on top of that thing. I don't know how he did it. He's this big and he's on top of like an eight-foot bookshelf. And you know what he's doing right now? He's surveying the land to see what he can murder right now. He is a predator, and he's looking at everything like, what could I murder? What can I? That thing is a murderer. Who said cats are not masculine? Who said cats don't belong to men? They are murderers. Man. That's what they are.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Killing machines. Killing machines. Justify it however you want. So thank you for the transition. That's why that's why I hate cats. I said it. Because my mama had a cat and I was born. The cat looked at me in my crib and was like, whoop. Oh, you got to go. I can't hear that. Dude.

unknown 15:11

Do you remember?

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Shout out to my folks. They can't be cat had to go.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

The movie The Italian job. They're like on a job, and I forget which dude it was. Black dude is talking about, oh, he was talking about how much he hates dogs. And another guy's like, Why do you hate dogs? He goes, I had a bad experience. She's like, Why do you go? I had a bad experience. And that's Antonio with cats. You remember that? Oh, yeah. Tony, why do you hate cats? I had a bad experience. Why? I had a bad experience.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

Because a Siamese cat beat my ass. In the crap. Cruppy Aristo cats. I hate that movement to cats.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

That's a great movie. Some good music.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Isn't that the one with the racist Chinese cats?

SPEAKER_00 15:55

That, yeah, we are Siamese, if you please. I think I think that's 101 Dalmatians. Is it? Yeah, I think the cats show up as like the foes and the yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Walt Disney's casual racism sewn all the way through the cartoons that we used to watch. Not so funny. You can't watch Dumbo because they have the Darkies.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

Uh, there we go.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

At the circus.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

Yeah. Bro. Hey John, in the movie The Uh The Italian Job, wasn't that dude uh Most Deaf? Wasn't that the black dude in uh it was most deaf.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Yes. He's the one who's like, I have bad experience.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

Yes. Hey, both of y'all, real quick, need to watch this movie, Something the Lord Made. And Most Deaf is the lead character. It's a black.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

Yeah, he plays uh Benjamin Carson. Uh who's he plays the doctor, right? The doctor. It's on HBO? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

It was, yeah. Oh my God. Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

Write it down right now. Something the Lord made. Yes. Amazing story. If it's on HBO Max, that's one of the services I still subscribe to. HBO and Netflix is all I got. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

It's because Scott Galloway told you you couldn't watch nothing but the Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

No, because I got sick of I got sick of paying for multiple services that I wasn't using, and Amazon Prime. Seems that every recommendation someone gives me, I'm like, what's shit on? They're like, or what's it on? Prime. I'm like, nah, forget it.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

You're like Jeff Bezos.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Pretty much. Okay. There you go. Hey, man, we've covered all topics. So this has been Three for the Founders. Thank you for getting it. Nationalism. We hit AI. We hit the separation of church and state. Thank you for watching. 40 minutes left. Like I started asking the question in Obi. Will be made things better as he does. Yes. Always. Hit us with the quirk.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

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SPEAKER_00 18:10

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